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#21 Posted : 29 May 2009 08:36:15(UTC)
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What I meant is that we have become as smart and powerful in 200 years as you have in a 1000. I'm not trying to start arguments, just sharing my opinion. What I meant for high brow was, the people who are involved with it, think that their better than others...not that they actually are.
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#22 Posted : 29 May 2009 08:39:16(UTC)
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What I meant is that we have become as smart and powerful in 200 years as you have in a 1000. I'm not trying to start arguments, just sharing my opinion. What I meant for high brow was, the people who are involved with it, think that their better than others...not that they actually are.

Your only smart and powerful because we colonized you in the first place. Otherwise you'd still be running around with funny face paint on. Probebly would be a better world, but you would.
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#23 Posted : 29 May 2009 08:39:22(UTC)
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-For the following post I will be calling, Amercian Football, Football and Rest of the World Football, Soccer.

I agree what vampire said was stupid, and that American Football has the wrong name that it should have but... Football is much funner than Soccer, and much more fun to watch. Maybe it's me but soccer is just to high brow for my tastes, and I cant stand that English announcer. Americans have been known to rip off England in many ways, but calling it football isnt ripping it off, if anything you should be mad that we called Soccer, Soccer. After all, with that, we took something of yours and tried to make it our own with a new name and completely ignored your Soccer.

It was called soccer by Englishmen before anyone else. The actual name of the game is Association Football. And someone back in the day (19th century) started calling it soccer because there was quite a few other sports with football attached to them, like rugby football. But they all became known under other names, and so the game where you spend all your time kicking a ball with your FOOT is known as football. It kind of makes sense if you, I don't know, THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MOMENT?

And oh my God, football high brow? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that shit is hysterical. Football is anything but. It's a game whose core fanbase across the globe is the poorer segments of each society. Sometimes that translates as drunken louts as in the UK. Sometimes it manifests in other ways. But highbrow? Nah pal, that's fucking insane.

These sort of discussions are utterly tiresome for me because I like both American football and soccer. I will happily watch them both, and hearing people witter on about the game they don't like while not having a fucking clue is so bloody boring. Seen this discussion time and time again.

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P.S. If America is so bad, then how come we have done in 230 years what it has taken other countries more than 1000 years to do?

How do you define "more"? Your empire is still tiny compared to the British Empire at it's peak. Compared to Ancient Greece you have no culture (which applies to all modern culture really). I don't get what your trying to say here, it's disjointed, poorly worded and spasticated.


To be fair, im not a big fan of either but i do watch football, or 'soccer'. And to be honest american football just seems to me like pussy version of Rugby. Anyone know which came first? American Football or Rugby? I'd be interested to know :)

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So you don't care but bring nothing to the debate but uninformed bollocks.

Bravo sir, bravo. OK, here's what you've just said. "I'm not a fan of either forms of running but to be honest the 100m race just seems to be a pussy version the 10,000m race."

Really, they both have similarities, but see, rugby is like long distance running. American football is like a sprint, short, sharp, high-impact. The reason that they were so much body armour which makes it look pussified in the eyes of ill-informed idiots trying to be funny or contraversial is simply because there were plenty deaths in the early days. You are talking about a serious of massively high impact plays, repeated over and over. That takes a huge toll on the body if unprotected. In rugby you have to wrap the player up during the tackle because if not he can get up again and carry on. You have to smother him. That involves a certain level of technique. In American football you only have to touch a guy who is on the ground for play to stop. So you don't need to smother him. And so you end up with some utterly insane "tackles" which are one 250lbs man flying into a 220lbs man while running as fast as they both can.

GAH! I truely wish people were able to think before saying things. And what has it been with today. Since the Champions League final ended I have seen so much retarded drivel posted on normally sane-ish forums. Is it a full moon tonight?
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#24 Posted : 29 May 2009 08:42:29(UTC)
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So, isnt it your fault then for creating a colony that could take it self out of a countries hands? You stole the land and then we stole it from you.
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#25 Posted : 29 May 2009 08:43:35(UTC)
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What I meant is that we have become as smart and powerful in 200 years as you have in a 1000. I'm not trying to start arguments, just sharing my opinion. What I meant for high brow was, the people who are involved with it, think that their better than others...not that they actually are.

So you mean arrogance. Which is rife in the NFL. Wow.

Eh.

And dude, America didn't just come into existance from nothing. It was started when a British colony decided to leave the British empire. With the entire wealth of knowledge of man from before hand to build on. The reason America is a superpower now is because it is a very large country. And thus has a large amount of natural resources, a large population and a large amount of space to build industry. That is the primary reason. Nothing else.

And AJ, fuck off. He'd not be "running abour with funny face paint." For fucksake, WHY IS EVERYONE SO FUCKING DUMB TODAY? The chances are that he would actually be sat behind a computer in some European country like Spain, the UK, Germany or Ireland while wittering nonsense on the internet.
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#26 Posted : 29 May 2009 08:44:36(UTC)
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So, isnt it your fault then for creating a colony that could take it self out of a countries hands? You stole the land and then we stole it from you.

You have a shockingly ignorant understanding of your nations own history. OK, it's not actually that shocking. But still, it's bad.
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#27 Posted : 29 May 2009 08:50:22(UTC)
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You sent us over here to build a small colony under your laws and regulations. After a while we got fed up with the bull crap and announced are independence. You got pissed about it, we had a war, we won and now here we are, the third largest country in the world.
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#28 Posted : 29 May 2009 08:55:17(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
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-For the following post I will be calling, Amercian Football, Football and Rest of the World Football, Soccer.

I agree what vampire said was stupid, and that American Football has the wrong name that it should have but... Football is much funner than Soccer, and much more fun to watch. Maybe it's me but soccer is just to high brow for my tastes, and I cant stand that English announcer. Americans have been known to rip off England in many ways, but calling it football isnt ripping it off, if anything you should be mad that we called Soccer, Soccer. After all, with that, we took something of yours and tried to make it our own with a new name and completely ignored your Soccer.

It was called soccer by Englishmen before anyone else. The actual name of the game is Association Football. And someone back in the day (19th century) started calling it soccer because there was quite a few other sports with football attached to them, like rugby football. But they all became known under other names, and so the game where you spend all your time kicking a ball with your FOOT is known as football. It kind of makes sense if you, I don't know, THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MOMENT?

And oh my God, football high brow? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that shit is hysterical. Football is anything but. It's a game whose core fanbase across the globe is the poorer segments of each society. Sometimes that translates as drunken louts as in the UK. Sometimes it manifests in other ways. But highbrow? Nah pal, that's fucking insane.

These sort of discussions are utterly tiresome for me because I like both American football and soccer. I will happily watch them both, and hearing people witter on about the game they don't like while not having a fucking clue is so bloody boring. Seen this discussion time and time again.

asdf wrote:
P.S. If America is so bad, then how come we have done in 230 years what it has taken other countries more than 1000 years to do?

How do you define "more"? Your empire is still tiny compared to the British Empire at it's peak. Compared to Ancient Greece you have no culture (which applies to all modern culture really). I don't get what your trying to say here, it's disjointed, poorly worded and spasticated.


To be fair, im not a big fan of either but i do watch football, or 'soccer'. And to be honest american football just seems to me like pussy version of Rugby. Anyone know which came first? American Football or Rugby? I'd be interested to know :)

Boxing & MMA are the only sports for me :)

So you don't care but bring nothing to the debate but uninformed bollocks.

Bravo sir, bravo. OK, here's what you've just said. "I'm not a fan of either forms of running but to be honest the 100m race just seems to be a pussy version the 10,000m race."

Really, they both have similarities, but see, rugby is like long distance running. American football is like a sprint, short, sharp, high-impact. The reason that they were so much body armour which makes it look pussified in the eyes of ill-informed idiots trying to be funny or contraversial is simply because there were plenty deaths in the early days. You are talking about a serious of massively high impact plays, repeated over and over. That takes a huge toll on the body if unprotected. In rugby you have to wrap the player up during the tackle because if not he can get up again and carry on. You have to smother him. That involves a certain level of technique. In American football you only have to touch a guy who is on the ground for play to stop. So you don't need to smother him. And so you end up with some utterly insane "tackles" which are one 250lbs man flying into a 220lbs man while running as fast as they both can.

GAH! I truely wish people were able to think before saying things. And what has it been with today. Since the Champions League final ended I have seen so much retarded drivel posted on normally sane-ish forums. Is it a full moon tonight?


Yano, your an ass :)

I'm Sorry for being ill-informed, however i dont watch american football much and i was simply trying to express the opinion of the average brit, i apologise for wording it wrong. However, are you trying to say that Rugby doesnt have big tackles and isnt faced paced? In american football, stop me if im wrong, but every single play you have to go back and throw the ball again, until your tackled, then you go back and throw the ball, and so on. However they seem to be alright without wearing a duvet around them ?

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#29 Posted : 29 May 2009 08:57:03(UTC)
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You sent us over here to build a small colony under your laws and regulations. After a while we got fed up with the bull crap and announced are independence. You got pissed about it, we had a war, we won and now here we are, the third largest country in the world.



Also the country who elected a ex-alchoholic Texan into the most powerful position on earth.
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#30 Posted : 29 May 2009 09:05:42(UTC)
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Yano, your an ass :)

I'm Sorry for being ill-informed, however i dont watch american football much and i was simply trying to express the opinion of the average brit, i apologise for wording it wrong. However, are you trying to say that Rugby doesnt have big tackles and isnt faced paced? In american football, stop me if im wrong, but every single play you have to go back and throw the ball again, until your tackled, then you go back and throw the ball, and so on. However they seem to be alright without wearing a duvet around them ?


I'd rather be an arse than a fucking buffoon who continues to harp on from a position of ignorance like they are proud of their ignorance.

No, Rugby does big tackles and is fast paced. But again SPRINT VS LONG DISTANCE RACE. Rugby is a game where if you have no stamina you are fucked. You won't last half a game. In American football, you go in, you smash into a guy, you go out and get a breather. Everybody is a specialist. In rugby you are generally more well rounded. I was going to say they are totally different, but they obviously aren't. In the same way that a pineapple and an apple are both fruit and both exist for the same reason on an evolutionary reason and they both even have apple in the name so they aren't totally different. But they are plenty of differences.
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#31 Posted : 29 May 2009 09:06:42(UTC)
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Aj wrote:
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You sent us over here to build a small colony under your laws and regulations. After a while we got fed up with the bull crap and announced are independence. You got pissed about it, we had a war, we won and now here we are, the third largest country in the world.



Also the country who elected a ex-alchoholic Texan into the most powerful position on earth.

Yes, the British empire was never ruled by alcoholics. Hahahaha. Winston Churchill was a notorious drunkard.
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#32 Posted : 29 May 2009 09:15:08(UTC)
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You sent us over here to build a small colony under your laws and regulations. After a while we got fed up with the bull crap and announced are independence. You got pissed about it, we had a war, we won and now here we are, the third largest country in the world.



Also the country who elected a ex-alchoholic Texan into the most powerful position on earth.

Yes, the British empire was never ruled by alcoholics. Hahahaha. Winston Churchill was a notorious drunkard.

Did i ever say the British empire wasnt? I was stating that America isnt as great as patriotic americans believe
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#33 Posted : 29 May 2009 09:19:20(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
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Yano, your an ass :)

I'm Sorry for being ill-informed, however i dont watch american football much and i was simply trying to express the opinion of the average brit, i apologise for wording it wrong. However, are you trying to say that Rugby doesnt have big tackles and isnt faced paced? In american football, stop me if im wrong, but every single play you have to go back and throw the ball again, until your tackled, then you go back and throw the ball, and so on. However they seem to be alright without wearing a duvet around them ?


I'd rather be an arse than a fucking buffoon who continues to harp on from a position of ignorance like they are proud of their ignorance.

No, Rugby does big tackles and is fast paced. But again SPRINT VS LONG DISTANCE RACE. Rugby is a game where if you have no stamina you are fucked. You won't last half a game. In American football, you go in, you smash into a guy, you go out and get a breather. Everybody is a specialist. In rugby you are generally more well rounded. I was going to say they are totally different, but they obviously aren't. In the same way that a pineapple and an apple are both fruit and both exist for the same reason on an evolutionary reason and they both even have apple in the name so they aren't totally different. But they are plenty of differences.


Sorry but what exactly is your point? What are we arguing about? I dont dissagree that american football is a hard game, however i believe that rugby is far harder. I apologise for my original post
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#34 Posted : 29 May 2009 09:26:43(UTC)
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#35 Posted : 29 May 2009 09:31:30(UTC)
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Aj wrote:
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Yano, your an ass :)

I'm Sorry for being ill-informed, however i dont watch american football much and i was simply trying to express the opinion of the average brit, i apologise for wording it wrong. However, are you trying to say that Rugby doesnt have big tackles and isnt faced paced? In american football, stop me if im wrong, but every single play you have to go back and throw the ball again, until your tackled, then you go back and throw the ball, and so on. However they seem to be alright without wearing a duvet around them ?


I'd rather be an arse than a fucking buffoon who continues to harp on from a position of ignorance like they are proud of their ignorance.

No, Rugby does big tackles and is fast paced. But again SPRINT VS LONG DISTANCE RACE. Rugby is a game where if you have no stamina you are fucked. You won't last half a game. In American football, you go in, you smash into a guy, you go out and get a breather. Everybody is a specialist. In rugby you are generally more well rounded. I was going to say they are totally different, but they obviously aren't. In the same way that a pineapple and an apple are both fruit and both exist for the same reason on an evolutionary reason and they both even have apple in the name so they aren't totally different. But they are plenty of differences.


Sorry but what exactly is your point? What are we arguing about? I dont dissagree that american football is a hard game, however i believe that rugby is far harder. I apologise for my original post

Why do you believe this? How much NFL have you ever watched? How much American football have you played? How did your experiences of playing American football compare to your experiences of playing rugby? Which code of rugby did you play?

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Did i ever say the British empire wasnt? I was stating that America isnt as great as patriotic americans believe

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You sent us over here to build a small colony under your laws and regulations. After a while we got fed up with the bull crap and announced are independence. You got pissed about it, we had a war, we won and now here we are, the third largest country in the world.

Yeah, I was right. Appallingly poor knowledge about your history. That's pitiful considering you have so little of it to even learn.
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I know there was more to it than that, but did you really think that I would want to write the entire Revolutionary war and the signing of the Constitution and Declaration of independence down just to prove my intelligence. Nonsense.
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#38 Posted : 29 May 2009 10:22:05(UTC)
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I know there was more to it than that, but did you really think that I would want to write the entire Revolutionary war and the signing of the Constitution and Declaration of independence down just to prove my intelligence. Nonsense.

I was more refering to "You sent us over here". Nah. The English crown gave the rights to explore this new unknown land and exploit it as they wished for the first time in 1578. 1607 was the first permanent successful English settlement, at Jamestown. But emmigration was never forced (for English citizens, sadly not the case with slaves) as people would just move across if they wanted a chance at a "better life". Which is how you ended up with The Pilgrims, the religious nuts of their day. Setting up America perfectly for 400 years later where it is once again dominated by Christian fundamentalists. How cyclical.

But yeah, I mean the fact is that colonisation was just the way that European empires worked back then, for better or for worse. And lets not forget that America would have continued to be a British colony if not for the stupid greed of King George the Third and his taxes without representation combined with European diplomacy. What a wasted opportunity
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